1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,880 I'm sorry if I've disappointed any of you. I was planning to talk on the subject of 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:15,600 the reactions of animals and birds. I have been, as some of you know, publishing in Find 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:22,280 the Lost Review, a catalog of these cases. But I've been away for a while lately and 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:28,400 I've been sick on and off with those things. And I found that I really hadn't done the 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 homework on it that I should have done. And I came to the conclusion that what I had to 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,400 present tonight would be very boring. It is really a rather boring subject. It's a boring 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:45,800 catalogue so far. Case after case in which animals or birds are frightened and that's 8 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:52,200 always to it. So I thought that perhaps with your permission I might talk about something 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:01:02,520 else which I hope isn't too far out. I think might be of interest to you. So I decided 10 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:11,280 that I'd talk about teleportation or ITF as our friend Ivan Sanderson likes to call it, 11 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:17,600 instantaneous transfer. Now you may remember some of you that I spoke here about five years 12 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:27,760 ago about some cases of apparent teleportation and that was subsequently written up in an 13 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,880 article which appeared in Flying Source Review. The first of those cases was a long time ago, 14 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:42,200 in 1593 allegedly, when a Spanish soldier was said to have flipped mysteriously from 15 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:49,680 Manila in the Philippine Islands and turned up many thousands of miles away in Mexico. 16 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:58,840 And then there were also other recent cases like the man carried from Bahia Blanca to Salta 17 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:09,240 in Argentina in 1959. There was a Japanese case of a vanishing car and occupants in 1963. 18 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,360 And finally in 1968 there was the case of the Argentine couple who were reported to have 19 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:23,360 been taken in their car from the highway at Chascomus, south of Buenos Aires and set down 20 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:30,840 on a lonely road in Mexico. Again Mexico, it's all very very strange. There's curious concentration 21 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:39,640 on Mexico. Now I'm sure that in the next few months you'll be hearing quite a lot more about 22 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:45,000 this question of teleportation because, like it or not, there have been a great many new cases. 23 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:52,280 And mostly from South America, but I recently heard of one that happened in this country. 24 00:02:53,280 --> 00:03:02,720 And I think therefore that time has come for us to talk about it again and to see, 25 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:11,800 to try to examine whether this is, as some of us think, the same type of thing or in any way 26 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:20,000 linked to the type of thing that is alleged to have occurred in the realms of what we call 27 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:30,240 psychic phenomena. So what I'm going to talk about tonight is a number of cases. There is 28 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:37,280 nothing about UFOs in them at all. They're classic cases. They all happened long before 1947, 29 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:43,360 long before the development of the present situation as regards what we call UFOs or 30 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:50,200 flying saucers or whatever label you prefer. If you look into it you'll find that there are 31 00:03:50,200 --> 00:04:00,560 a very large number of cases of this type on record. There are quite a lot in the Bible, 32 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:08,240 if you click them. There is for example the case of St. Philip. We're told that St. Philip was 33 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:14,840 suddenly snatched up at Gaza while doing some baptizing there and was transferred in the 34 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:26,360 twinkling of an eye to Azotus, a place 30 miles away. But the main cases that I want to talk to 35 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:36,760 about tonight are in the field of 19th century reports, especially in the literature of the 36 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:45,760 30 years of the last century and the first two decades of this century. And some of these cases 37 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:56,480 really make the mind boggle. Many of them were collected together and published some years ago 38 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,280 by an old friend of mine, New York Bays, the Hungarian investigator and writer Dr. Nando Fodor. 39 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:08,840 And if you're interested you will find some of them in his Encyclopedia of Psychic Science, 40 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:16,920 from which some of these cases will be quoted. Now the case two, I'll start with the one which I 41 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:24,280 think caps all cases and stops all the clocks. This is the very well authenticated and very well 42 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:30,800 known case of Mrs. Guppy, a wonderful name I think. I always knew that there were little 43 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,840 fishes and tropical tanks called guppies, but I never realized before there was actually a human 44 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:43,240 being called Guppy. Now Mrs. Guppy was a medium, whatever a medium is, in London, a way back in 45 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:53,880 the 1870s. And it seems that in 1871 a gentleman named Herne, also a medium, whatever a medium is, 46 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:02,640 was attending a theatre in London. And at the same time that evening there was a seance going on 47 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:10,680 in a house at Hackney. And the sitters were all there sitting in the dark as they do, when suddenly 48 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,000 this man, Frank Herne, turned up there among them all, right in the middle of them. The astonished 49 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,920 participants turned up the gas and surveyed the scene and then settled down again to the 50 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:30,320 seance in the darkened room with Mr. Herne taking part. And then I think very blidgingly Mr. Herne's 51 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:37,920 overcoat and hat and umbrella proceeded to arrive. Evidently the spirits did not think it quite 52 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:44,640 right that a man about town should appear without his proper gear. And when you look around today, 53 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:55,920 you might think that this sort of thing could be extended with great profit. Now we come to the 54 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:03,760 night of June 3rd, 1871. There were two mediums present on this occasion, one of the name Williams, 55 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:10,960 and the other was this same Frank Herne. And they were having a seance in Williams House, 56 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:20,240 which was at 61 Lambs Condit Street in North London. Now this is one of the best attested of 57 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:28,880 all these ITF cases, because they were in the room no less than eight people with two mediums. 58 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:37,240 And this turned out to be a sort of return match, because at a certain moment in the evening, 59 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,960 one of the sitters suggested that Mrs. Guppy be brought there from wherever she happened to be at 60 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:51,440 that moment. Now Mrs. Guppy's house, I should add, was in Hybrae, a little over three miles away 61 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:59,000 from the house from the house where Williams was taking part in the seance. Now subsequent 62 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:07,040 inquiries and investigations have shown that at the moment in question, Mrs. Guppy was sitting 63 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:13,320 quietly at home beside the fire doing her household accounts. And with her in the room, 64 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:21,560 there was her companion, a lady named Miss Nailand. And Mr. Guppy thought I was a Mr. Guppy, 65 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:28,680 you'll be very relieved to know. He also testified later that he was in the billiard room playing 66 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:36,560 billiards with some friends. And these friends corroborated his testimony. He said that he'd 67 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:41,600 been up to his wife's sitting room only a few minutes before her disappearance. And he had 68 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,840 talked to her there about some routine matter or other. Piercing all the reports together, 69 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:56,480 it seems that one of the eight sitters in the room at Williams House had suggested to the 70 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:04,240 alleged spirit controls or whatever it is that operates in these cases, that they should, 71 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,280 that the spirit controls should bring something, that was the phrase, i.e. to teleport something 72 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:16,400 into the room where all the windows and the door were closed and the group was sitting in 73 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:28,760 complete darks. Now another sitter then recalled that not long before Frank Hearn had made that 74 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,320 somewhat unorthodox trip. One wonders by the way what London Transport would have to say about 75 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:40,600 these goings on if they became commonplace. They remembered what had happened to Hearn when 76 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:47,760 he had gone to Mrs. Guppy's house. And this man said jokingly, I wish you bring Mrs. Guppy. 77 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:56,000 Where at another sitter hastily added, good gracious, I hope not, she's one of the biggest 78 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:03,300 women in London. Apparently she was a normal. Well, the voice of the so-called control led 79 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:11,060 to be the famous Katie King replied at once, I will, I will, I will. And then the voice of the 80 00:10:11,060 --> 00:10:16,100 alleged John King, head of the so-called band of spirits or whatever they were, was heard crying, 81 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:23,140 keep still country. And in an instant somebody called out, good God, there's something, there's 82 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:29,580 something on my head. And simultaneously there were several screams and a vast thud was heard 83 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:35,340 right in the middle of the table around which the South was being held. A match was at once 84 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:43,380 struck and there they found Mrs. Guppy, huge and motionless, lying in a state of trance on the 85 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:49,180 table amid the tightly packed participants. At first there were fears from Mrs. Guppy's health, 86 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:54,300 indeed for her life. It was thought that she might have incurred some permanent damage to her 87 00:10:54,460 --> 00:11:01,580 elinor and time frame. She was lying with one arm shielding her eyes as she was clad, I'm sorry to 88 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:09,340 say, in a loose gown, more or less, de colité and wearing bedroom slippers. And clutched in her 89 00:11:09,340 --> 00:11:14,780 hand, which hung straight down beside her was the pen with which she'd been doing her cups. 90 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:22,300 Mrs. Guppy, a very prim cell, was greatly distressed when she came to, she would, 91 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:28,700 this afterwards, to find that strangers were viewing her in such an informal state and such 92 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:35,100 informal attire. Well, after a few minutes the redoubtable lady was sufficiently well recovered 93 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:41,580 to join the party and the science went on. Then both Mr. Hearn and Mr. Williams were now 94 00:11:41,580 --> 00:11:49,820 levitated and they too disappeared in terms in the same way. And any of you who may be feeling 95 00:11:49,820 --> 00:11:54,620 concerned at this moment at the thought that Mrs. Guppy might have to hail a handsome cab 96 00:11:55,340 --> 00:12:00,940 and return to her home in such an unseemly state will be very relieved to know that her boots 97 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:08,620 and other things, her hat and outer coat and other garments, now shower down upon the table. 98 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:15,340 I like to visualize those boots, I expect they were those long, tall black ones. I remember 99 00:12:15,340 --> 00:12:18,300 them from my own childhood. They may be fashionable again, all I know, I wouldn't know about these 100 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:25,020 tremendous, great long black boots with masses of buttons. Anyhow along with them came a whole lot 101 00:12:25,020 --> 00:12:32,460 of flowers. Now Mrs. Guppy was indeed a specialist on this and she had interflora completely licked. 102 00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:38,300 She was constantly producing heaps of flowers out of the void, sometimes 103 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:47,500 sometimes even full-sized sunflowers with fresh clumps of earth clotted round the roots. Evidently 104 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:51,660 if this sort of thing caught on then as I say, both interflora and London transport 105 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:58,620 would have something to say about it. Now the whole time that it elapsed between the 106 00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:06,540 original suggestion that Mrs. Guppy be brought and her shuddering, juttering arrival on the table 107 00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:14,460 was found to be about three minutes. The seance concluded Mr. Harrison, who was one of the sitters 108 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:21,820 of three other people, all went off at once to Mrs. Guppy's home with her and secured the testimony 109 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:28,860 of the male Guppy and of Mrs. Nayland, the companion. And Mrs. Nayland told them that, yes, she had 110 00:13:28,860 --> 00:13:37,180 been sitting in the room with Mrs. Guppy, who was writing her accounts up, and looking across 111 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:45,900 southern there, Mrs. Nayland had discovered that Mrs. Guppy was no longer there. But she 112 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:52,300 detected a slight haze near the ceiling, just above the spot where Mrs. G had been sitting. 113 00:13:53,980 --> 00:14:01,980 Now on another similar occasion, November 2, 1873, there were 10 people present 114 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:11,500 at the seance and a man named Henderson vanished from this time it was from Mrs. Guppy's house. 115 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:17,260 The doors and windows of the room were all locked and the 10 sitters were sitting in darkness, 116 00:14:18,140 --> 00:14:25,820 holding hands in the chain when suddenly it was found that Henderson had had broken the chain 117 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:33,820 and vanished. Almost instantly, Mr. Henderson apparently was detected standing in the backyard 118 00:14:33,820 --> 00:14:41,420 of his friend Mr. Stokes at a distance of about one and a half miles, one and a half miles from 119 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:48,300 the scene of the seance. And it seems that no less than nine people actually observed his 120 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:54,140 sudden arrival. It was a wet night and his clothes and boots were almost completely dry. 121 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:59,420 Now that I think is rather interesting because we've seen a number of very strange cases 122 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,420 in connection with the UFO phenomena where this question of 123 00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:09,660 violence in the rain has been noted. I think something should be done about investigating 124 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:17,500 those. It seems to be another one of these odd little tie-ups. Another British psychic who 125 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:28,300 vanished in the same remarkable manner was the famous William Eglinton who on March 16, 1878 126 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:36,380 vanished from a seance in the home of a Mrs. McDougal Gregory. There were five 127 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:43,500 sitters present and two mediums, the names of the mediums being Arthur Coleman and J. W. Fletcher. 128 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:50,860 Apparently somebody has suggested that the mysterious powers calling themselves spirits 129 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:57,100 should take Mr. Coleman up through the ceiling. But in fact it wasn't Coleman who vanished but 130 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:02,860 Eglinton disappeared immediately. A violent bump was heard by all on the floor of the 131 00:16:02,860 --> 00:16:07,100 room above and going up there they found Mr. Eglinton lying there in a trance. 132 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:17,100 The annals of psychic science have a fascinating series of reports from the city of San Jose 133 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:26,620 in Costa Rica from the years 1997 to 1999. There was a gentleman there named 134 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:36,220 Senor Buenaventura Corales. He had four children, the eldest of them aged 18 and the others 12, 135 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:44,140 10 and 7 respectively. And these children apparently used to take huge delight in vanishing 136 00:16:44,140 --> 00:16:50,380 from locked rooms, turning off outside and then coming back again in the same way apparently 137 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:55,580 into the rooms. Rooms to lock, the doors to lock, windows shut and they would come in again. 138 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:59,340 Now when investigators questioned the four children, 139 00:16:59,740 --> 00:17:05,900 and by the way I've got a fascinating case recently from Brazil where a number of children 140 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:14,540 started flying about and the police arrested them and took them off for interrogation and 141 00:17:15,660 --> 00:17:23,420 one of the parents was arrested too. When the investigators questioned these children here 142 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:31,740 in Costa Rica, the children said that all they knew about it was that something or somebody 143 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:36,940 parried them when they disappeared because apparently they always said they always felt 144 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:47,980 pressure under the arms. The next case I've got, that was in 1997, 1999. The next case is a little 145 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:56,780 earlier actually, it was in 1996 and comes from Italy. Dr. Joseph Lapponi, who was the medical officer 146 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:04,540 to two popes, Pope Leo the 17th and Pope Pius X, recorded the case of two boys 147 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:13,180 in a family named Pansini. The boys were aged 10 and eight years respectively and they were the 148 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:21,740 sons of a builder at a place called Rulo in Apulia. Now their house apparently had been the scene 149 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:27,500 for a number of years of quite fantastic poltergeist phenomena with crockery being in front of that 150 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:35,820 and all the usual visitations. The elder boy, who was only seven at the time when the phenomenon 151 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:43,980 first began, began talking in trance, falling into trances rather and practicing zenoglossy, 152 00:18:44,860 --> 00:18:50,700 which as you know means that he spoke in tongues which were unknown to him. He spoke French 153 00:18:50,700 --> 00:18:58,220 and Greek and Latin. Now speaking of tongues is another phenomenon which is not only mentioned 154 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:05,340 in the Bible as you know but is quite current in the world today. I have seen it myself at some 155 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:11,340 religious meetings of the Pentecostals and certain other groups who are not 156 00:19:12,060 --> 00:19:20,460 Christian in denomination and some of you may have seen recently a TV program in which a minister 157 00:19:21,980 --> 00:19:27,580 talked about it. He was a great believer in it and felt that this was something very, 158 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:35,100 very important. I must say that the cases that I've seen didn't seem to be very important and 159 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:42,140 I'm not certain that they were really languages. They struck me as being gibberish but there do 160 00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:47,900 appear to be cases on record where recognizable languages have been spoken which are not, 161 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:55,100 definitely not known to the speaker. Now two boys, the two Pansini boys were constantly being 162 00:19:55,100 --> 00:20:04,940 teleported. On one occasion they went nine miles from Rufot of Molfetta and then another time 163 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:11,420 they found themselves at sea near a place called Barletta on board a ship. 164 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:18,540 They apparently hugely enjoyed all these trips but their poor parents were terrified 165 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:27,260 and their mother, a very pious woman, consulted Bishop Berardi, the Bishop of Bitanto and asked 166 00:20:27,260 --> 00:20:33,180 him to call at the house which he did and just as she was telling the bishop of her fears that all 167 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:38,060 this work, all this was the work of the devil himself, both the boys suddenly vanished from the 168 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:44,060 room despite the fact that she'd taken precautions to lock all the doors and windows for the interview. 169 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:54,940 In another report the same Dr. Joseph Lapponi said that he had another case of two more boys 170 00:20:56,060 --> 00:21:02,140 who were known as the Flying Brothers of Bari who traveled 45 kilometers in 15 minutes on one 171 00:21:02,140 --> 00:21:10,940 occasion. Another writer whom many of you must have read, a well-known writer of the 19th century 172 00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:21,420 and investigator was Dr. Franz Hartmann and he reports a similar case which happened 173 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:29,340 to a personal friend of his, a doctor, he quotes him only as Dr. Zed who was living in Florence 174 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:38,540 and apparently Dr. Zed was mysteriously carried a distance of 100 kilometers from Livano to Florence 175 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:45,020 in 15 minutes and then deposited with the usual fud in a closed room. 176 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:55,500 I've got to reference here to some similar cases, next cases, from Iceland in or around 1919 177 00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:59,660 which was subject to a report by Professor Harold Lourn Nielsen 178 00:22:02,140 --> 00:22:11,740 and then coming on a bit further till 1930 the next case that I selected was one which 179 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:15,260 Harry Price, the well-known British investigator published, 180 00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:27,660 concerned a Hindu boy named Damodar Ketkar of Pune and this boy was persecuted by poltergeists 181 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:37,820 and was transported and carried about in the usual fashion in India particularly apparently in 182 00:22:37,820 --> 00:22:45,180 April 1928. One of the witnesses was a European lady named Miss Cohn. 183 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:52,220 She was sitting writing a letter when suddenly she looked up and beheld this boy 184 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:58,300 who seemed to be just hanging there in front of her. She said he looked quite 185 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:07,420 alert and conscious but he looked very surprised and he said I have just come from Karjat 186 00:23:08,780 --> 00:23:13,340 the report doesn't actually say how many miles away that was. She said the posture, 187 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:17,900 the position in which the boy was hanging in the air was very remarkable because he was 188 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:23,980 definitely suspended in the air, definitely not touching the ground and both his arms were hanging 189 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:32,460 limply to sides. His feet were definitely she said not on the floor. In fact she said he was 190 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:39,340 precisely in the sort of posture in which a person is held when gripped round a waist and is being 191 00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:51,260 carried. Now as you know those of you who read these reports in the Flying Swords Review 192 00:23:53,180 --> 00:24:00,540 a lot of these recent cases that I mentioned have been associated, we haven't got any proof yet, 193 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,860 although there's going to be one I think which will prove to be definite. 194 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,900 But on the whole we've got no definite proof that these cases are 195 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:16,380 connected with UFOs. I say there's one exception because there's one case from Brazil now where 196 00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:24,860 a vehicle was actually taken up with the occupants quite conscious and they saw it happening and 197 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:30,060 they saw the kind of clamps which came down from the UFO and fitted on the top of the car. 198 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:35,260 And for some odd reason, I don't know if it was a different faction, different sort of creatures 199 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:42,460 doing this, but the businessmen in the car, I think there were four of them, this was in Southern 200 00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:50,060 Brazil, someone in Santa Catarina and of course it happened at night, they were carried along quite 201 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:55,740 away and quite conscious and they weren't harmed in any way, they had the fright of their lives 202 00:24:56,300 --> 00:25:04,460 and they were put down again on the same road and they then saw the UFO make a pass at another 203 00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:10,380 vehicle which was coming along, which was a load of lorrie. I should say by the way that in their 204 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:17,340 case the UFO had first stopped their engine, the usual thing. They saw it actually make a pass at 205 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:23,420 the lorrie and stop that, stop the engine of that and I don't think they saw it anymore, I didn't 206 00:25:23,420 --> 00:25:34,220 wait to see, they just stepped on the accelerator and went. But some of the reports that are coming 207 00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:46,140 in from those countries really are quite extraordinary. Going back to these, as I say, 208 00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:50,780 these type of cases that I've selected to talk about tonight because there are definitely not 209 00:25:50,780 --> 00:25:58,060 cases in which we have any reason to, there's nothing of what we call a UFO involved. 210 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:07,420 The next case I've got is from, actually from Brazil and it was investigated by a very well-known 211 00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:13,420 English investigator of these matters named F. J. Dingwall, a critical 212 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:19,820 balanced man who was writing as many of you may know and he published this case in 213 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:28,300 psychic research for July 1930. Now the man involved was a medium, whatever a medium may be, 214 00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:37,100 he's a Brazilian and his name was Carlos Mirabelli and he was standing with some friends 215 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:46,780 on the railway station in the town of Luz in the state of São Paulo and they were about to take 216 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:56,540 the train to go to Santos. As shortly before the train scheduled departure, they suddenly discovered 217 00:26:56,540 --> 00:27:05,340 that Mirabelli had vanished for general astonishment. 15 minutes later it was ascertained by telephone 218 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:16,300 that he was 90 kilometers away from there in the town of São Vicente and a witness was able to testify 219 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:24,380 that he had actually encountered him in São Vicente no more than two minutes after he had vanished 220 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:33,420 in the railway station at Luz. Now my last case today is an occurrence 221 00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:42,060 which happened in Italy in 1928 and it really is a humdinger. It is very well authenticated 222 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:50,540 and the man who investigated it and wrote it all up was a great Italian psychic researcher whose 223 00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:57,260 name many of you must know, Professor Ernesto Botsano whose books are classics on these matters. 224 00:27:57,980 --> 00:28:08,380 Ten people witnessed this case and Botsano reported it in the journal Luce e ombra for September, October, 225 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:20,700 1928. Now I remember about ten years ago a very interesting Italian UFO report which I translated 226 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:33,580 was about a sighting by a flying enthusiast, a pilot, a nobleman bearing the ancient title, 227 00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:41,980 the Marquis Scotto. Now the case I'm going to describe now taken from Botsano's account 228 00:28:43,260 --> 00:28:49,020 happened not to him but to his father, the Marquis Centurioni Scotto, 229 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,340 belonging to one of the oldest families of the Italian nobility, 230 00:28:54,300 --> 00:29:03,340 former Italian MP and holder of many titles including that of Prince of the Holy Roman Empire 231 00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:15,340 and the astonishing event took place in his own castle at Millesimo. Now it seems that the Marquis 232 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:25,660 had in 1926 lost one of his sons in an aircraft crash and grief-stricken he did what many people do, 233 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:32,780 he took up spiritualism in the hope of finding comfort and he was amazed to find that he himself 234 00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:41,260 was the possessor of paranormal and very remarkable powers and I quote now from Professor 235 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:51,580 Botsano's account. On July 29, 1928 in the course of a sales at which the Marquis was himself the 236 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:57,580 medium, the Marquis suddenly claimed in a frightened voice, I can no longer feel my legs. 237 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:05,500 A gramophone was playing at the time as you know it's often done in these sort of meetings, 238 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:10,300 the gramophone was stopped and there was an interval of death like silence. 239 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:23,180 Then the sitters addressed the medium and got no answer and then they felt about for him 240 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:29,500 in the dark and they found that his seat was empty so they turned on the red light and 241 00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:37,020 they found that he was not in the room, the room was quite empty, the door was still securely 242 00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:43,260 locked with a key on the inside. Now they searched all the rooms in the castle without success. 243 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:48,540 Two and a half hours later, seems to be an extraordinary long time before they thought of 244 00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:57,900 this, they decided that Mrs. Gwendolyn Kelly Hack, an American writer who was a member of their 245 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:03,580 party and herself was known to have to lay claim to psychic gifts for some kind, 246 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:12,380 it was suggested that Mrs. Hack should endeavor herself by means of automatic writing to contact 247 00:31:12,380 --> 00:31:18,780 her own spirit guide, as it's called, and find out what had happened to the Missy Gentleman. 248 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:28,700 Well, at first her hand wouldn't only write these words, do not be anxious, 249 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:37,660 we are watching and guarding, the medium is asleep. Then after several more attempts, 250 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:46,460 her hand finally wrote these words, go to the right, then outside, wall and gate, 251 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:55,500 he is lying, hey, hey, on soft place. Well, the place indicated by this message 252 00:31:56,220 --> 00:32:03,980 seemed to be a granary in the stable yard of the castle. Now the great entrance door of the 253 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:10,220 granary was locked, the key was not in the door, so they ran back to the castle to get the key 254 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:16,380 and then entering the granary, they found a small door in front of them and this too was locked, 255 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:22,460 and the key in the keyhole on the outside. They opened it with the greatest caution 256 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:29,740 and there lying in the most profound sleep on a heap of hay and oats was his excellency, 257 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:38,140 the Marquis Tentorio Mouscote. Now when he came to, he told them that he had already recovered 258 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:43,980 consciousness on one occasion while in there, while lying there in the stable. And fighting 259 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:48,380 himself in such surroundings, he had promptly decided that he must have gone out of his mind 260 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:54,940 and had burst into tears, because of course although he'd been having odd things happen to him, 261 00:32:54,940 --> 00:33:01,580 he never had a thing like this occur. Now in a very strange manner, the authenticity of this 262 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:08,220 affair in the castle was confirmed not very long afterwards by a message received from the spirits 263 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:16,700 as they say at a seance in New York by the medium George Valentine who so far as I recall was an 264 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:23,100 Englishman. Now it's important to emphasize that nothing whatever had been revealed or published 265 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:30,460 yet about this affair of the vanishing Marquis, so certainly nobody in New York could possibly 266 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:36,460 have known about it. It was only published I think a month or so later, but this message received by 267 00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:42,700 George Valentine in New York City referred specifically to the experiment at Millessemore Castle 268 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:50,300 and the communicating entity, whatever it or whoever it was, said that he had himself helped 269 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:57,500 to teleport the Marquis into the granary. As I say it was not until a month later that the first 270 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:03,900 account of the teleportation was published. Discussing his extraordinary experience, 271 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:12,060 the Marquis said this, at that instant I could not feel my legs anymore and I had the impression 272 00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:19,820 that I was going into trance. I asked Fabienne for her hand, Fabienne being the woman who's sitting 273 00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:26,380 beside him, and he seized her hand to reassure, I seized her hand to reassure myself and after 274 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:33,420 taking her hand I felt something descending over my brain and over my face. I felt myself light, 275 00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:41,660 light, very light, but of such lightness and then I felt as though I was fainting and then I recall 276 00:34:41,660 --> 00:34:50,700 nothing more, nothing, nothing, nothing. Here then are just a few of the weird things which it seems 277 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:57,500 really have happened to people. I think it's no good for us to just sit down and dismiss these 278 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:04,620 stories, as 99% of folks do, because if human evidence and testimony are of any value at all, 279 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:11,660 some of these cases seem to be very well supported. If we have any sense of curiosity, 280 00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:18,860 and I think most people haven't any, I think we ought to look very carefully at all these 281 00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:26,460 weird things and at all these weird things that are happening now in connection with alleged 282 00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:36,140 flying saucers, alleged UFOs, and we must try to learn whether there's any link between the two 283 00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:42,460 sets of phenomena. I'm not saying that there are, I think we ought to try to find out. One can think 284 00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:48,140 of a great many individual elements which seem to be presently both of them, and Ivan Mackay has 285 00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:54,540 just written an excellent article in Flying Sources Review in which he has shown, I think, 286 00:35:54,540 --> 00:36:03,900 very concisely and very clearly the type of the way in which these phenomena do duplicate each 287 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:15,500 other on both sides. I think we've got to be really open-minded about it. We haven't, I don't 288 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:23,100 notice that in the last 20 years, the scientists have done very much towards explaining the so-called 289 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:32,620 UFO phenomenon, and I'm quite certain on the basis of what has been said to me by a number of 290 00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:37,740 quite important astronomers in last year or two, that we aren't going to explain the thing 291 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:47,580 simply on the basis of our sciences does now. It seems to me that we've got to expand our science, 292 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:54,380 and we've probably got to go back more than half a century and start looking at some of the things 293 00:36:54,380 --> 00:37:05,020 that those very brilliant men, Cambridge men, most of them, were not ashamed to look at in the early 294 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:13,340 ages when the Society for Psychical Research was founded. Many very brilliant men in the early 295 00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:19,820 years were engaged in this sort of work, and I think it's a very tragic thing for our species, 296 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:26,860 it may be a fatal thing for our species, that for some reason or other the subject no longer 297 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:34,300 continued to attract men of the same caliber. It may have been because, as you know, 298 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:39,420 a psychic phenomenon is not repeatable to order, it's not repeatable in the laboratory, 299 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:46,140 and I just say another thing was that people found that these things went on and on and on, 300 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:51,100 and they never seem to be getting anywhere, but the fact remains that, on the whole, our 301 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:57,260 species turned, our best minds, our best brains turned away from the subject and refused to look 302 00:37:57,260 --> 00:38:10,700 at it. And you have a state of affairs like the present where as Professor Sir Alastair Hardir, 303 00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:20,620 who is a very eminent Oxford biologist, name must be known to many of you, and he was president 304 00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:27,180 of the Society for Psychical Research last year, and I heard him say on one occasion 305 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:34,380 in a lecture he gave that he felt that our species had probably had very little time, 306 00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:43,340 and that the one thing that might, the one thing that might save us would be an attempt to look at 307 00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:50,460 this other side of things, to find out more about our real nature and our real powers, 308 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:56,460 faculties, and where we fit in in the scheme of things, and what other forms of intelligence 309 00:38:56,460 --> 00:39:03,740 there are about, we don't know anything about yet. Now he was not just anybody, he was very, 310 00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:12,060 as I say, he's a very eminent biologist, and I think that time has come when 311 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:19,580 I'm certain that time has come, when we have got to bring all these things into our field 312 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:32,780 of survey and try to look at it all in a balanced way. John Keel, who was writing, 313 00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:39,020 as many of you probably know, a professional journalist living in America who's written 314 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:44,540 many articles in Time Source Review, has just published a book which I think is going to be 315 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:50,460 very important, one of the three or four important books on our subject, called Euphos 316 00:39:52,860 --> 00:40:00,860 Trojan Horse, or Trojan Horse, Euphos Trojan Horse, and the blurb is a bit, perhaps a bit, 317 00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:07,980 ambitious because it claims that he really has told us where they're from and what they're doing. 318 00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:13,260 I think that's going a bit too far from the part of the publishers, but I think it's gone a long way. 319 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:23,420 And what the conclusion that Keel comes to is that there is no evidence, whatever, that 320 00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:29,420 these things are extraterrestrial, a view in which I agree at 100%, 321 00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,900 and I'm very glad to find that more and more astronomers who are interested in Euphos 322 00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:42,700 also have that view, that there is no scientific evidence, no astronomical evidence, no evidence 323 00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:49,980 whatever yet that these things are coming from out there. We've always got to leave the door open 324 00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:54,700 for the arrival of things from out there because after all we've landed on the moon ourselves. 325 00:40:54,700 --> 00:41:00,060 It's true the road isn't very far. It's scarcely outside the Earth's biosphere really, 326 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:05,100 but we have been there, many of our species have been there, and we must therefore 327 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:13,260 leave all these options open and accept that as a valid possibility, just like the other one. 328 00:41:14,060 --> 00:41:22,220 But Keel says that over the years that the great weakness of our species has been that all our 329 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:29,820 thinking about these things have been compartmentalized. You've had the orthodox religious looking at 330 00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:36,380 their little side, their little picture. Rather like the famous story of the men in India, 331 00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:39,980 a whole lot of men in India were clustered around a blind man, were clustered around an elephant, 332 00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:44,060 and they were all trying to describe this creature, and of course they all had different bits of it 333 00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:50,620 that they were handling and touching, so the accounts they gave were very partial and were 334 00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:54,540 completely misleading, and it would only be by putting them all together that you could arrive 335 00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:59,820 at an idea of what an elephant was like. Now Keel says that this is what we've been doing, 336 00:42:00,460 --> 00:42:07,980 that our orthodox religious have had one view of things, that your spiritualist, for example, 337 00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:15,100 had another. Your psychic researchers, because they are not the same as spiritualists, in the sense that 338 00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:21,420 I hope I offend nobody by saying this, that the psychic researchers are a great deal more 339 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:27,980 critical than the spiritualists are. I think that many, I have seen many very remarkable 340 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:34,060 psychic phenomena myself in several parts of the world, in the Far East, in Australia, 341 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:42,460 and in America, and here. I have seen quite remarkable materializations, for example, 342 00:42:42,460 --> 00:42:45,820 they are considered to be rather rare now compared to the earlier times. 343 00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:56,300 And of course you've got the ufologists, like ourselves, another group of people who are looking 344 00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:04,460 at one small part of the elephant, and you have the scientists, the few scientists who are willing 345 00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:08,460 to look at the elephant at all, there aren't many of them yet, but their numbers are increasing, 346 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:15,820 and they are looking at some part of the animal. And it will only be by putting all these pictures 347 00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:23,180 together, looking at the totality, that we shall have any hope whatever of finding out what it's 348 00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:32,780 all about. Keel thinks that whatever it is, that he shares my view now, he didn't share it originally, 349 00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:36,940 but he now shares my view that there is a good element involved in it, as well as a bad, 350 00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:43,580 if you like to talk in terms of goodies and baddies or angels and devils, I'll go along with you on that. 351 00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:48,300 There are some pretty nasty things about this, certainly, there are probably much more, 352 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,860 many more than nasties about them than the others, and this may be because we actually 353 00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:58,780 are in their bailout week, I think it's very likely. It might be that some kind of operation is going on 354 00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:04,780 as a result of which we may have the possibility or the hope of contacting something else. 355 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:11,900 This might be what lies behind the whole thing, but one thing seems to be certain, 356 00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:19,580 and that is that something is going to, is it is already impinging on man's consciousness in a 357 00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:24,940 bit extraordinary way, is producing the most fantastic disturbances in the human psyche. 358 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:30,140 These terrible waves of violence which is sweeping the earth at the moment 359 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:39,260 have made many people think the irrationality of it, the drive towards drugs, 360 00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:52,220 the maniacal killings, the mass murders of people, of perpetrated by people, mass murders of other 361 00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:59,580 fellow men. I know that some countries, they thought it was very wide about this. 362 00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:06,940 There was a case, for example, in Moscow not very long ago where a scientist, I think he was a 363 00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:16,460 scientist working in the field of plasma research, was pushed under a train on the metro line, and 364 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:24,860 by a woman and was, of course, killed. And when the authorities arrested her, she said that 365 00:45:24,860 --> 00:45:32,220 spacemen told her to do it. I saw a case in one of the papers last week, I haven't remembered, 366 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:40,060 I haven't remembered to cut it out yet, of a similar case where somebody said that spacemen had told 367 00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:49,100 him to murder somebody. And I think there is a very real danger, a very real possibility, 368 00:45:49,980 --> 00:45:56,540 that a large portion of our species are already possessed. I think I've mentioned this 369 00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:05,260 to you before, at an earlier meeting. There's a very remarkable man living today in Indonesia, 370 00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:12,620 who was here last week, named Muhammad Subul, whom I've known now since 1957, 371 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:22,460 since he first came to England. And what happened to him in 1924 was certainly 372 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:30,860 very strange, very extraordinary. And although we don't know the full details of it, 373 00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:35,100 and we probably wouldn't understand what we were told, it does look to me as if they are connected 374 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:43,340 with this question we're talking about. He was walking in the open air in Java, his home country, 375 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:52,060 in 1924, in the summer, and suddenly a great ball of light appeared in the sky above him. 376 00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:56,700 He said that this ball of light was much brighter than the sun at noon day, 377 00:46:57,020 --> 00:47:07,500 and it descended on him and entered him at the top of the skull. As you know, this is one of the 378 00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:22,780 chakras, one of the centers that are specified in Indian occultism. The Ramananda, I think it's called, 379 00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:31,180 the Hong Wung of the Chinese College, the Yellow Temple. And this light entered into him, 380 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:36,940 and apparently his whole body became filled with light. He began to vibrate in the most astonishing 381 00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:47,180 manner. And he was a very religious man, a Muslim of course, but a Sufi, and he wasn't afraid of 382 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:52,780 cross to die, and he was already in the state of submission to God. And being a Sufi, he walked home 383 00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:59,340 and said to his wife, get my bed ready, I'm going to die, and he lay down and actually didn't die. 384 00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:05,020 Some very extraordinary things happened to him. They went on for about a thousand days, nights, 385 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:15,180 and in the course of it this man underwent an internal change of his nature. Now this man has 386 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:25,580 transmitted to many others in many countries, including this country, that which entered into him 387 00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:34,940 that night. I think that on it's showing that it's whatever it was, is from an on high, but he's benevolent. 388 00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:43,900 It's good, but it's good. And he says that a very large portion of the human race 389 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:49,020 have got nothing, no human qualities in them whatsoever, that our species have been, has been 390 00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:59,580 totally taken over from below. And that this operation, this extraordinary thing which Suvod is, 391 00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:07,500 it's called this movement which he's launched in the world, Suvod is a concentrated telescope word 392 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:15,980 from three Sanskrit words, Susheela Bhutidharma. Very difficult to translate, but more or less 393 00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:24,220 indicating the idea of right conduct in right society, in right relationship with God and with man. 394 00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:33,660 He says that this is aimed at purifying the state of man and changing the condition in which we find 395 00:49:33,660 --> 00:49:43,180 ourselves. I think that his experience is probably, really a UFO experience, nobody that I know of has 396 00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:48,620 yet said so, except in Mexico where a book has recently been written about him, in which the view 397 00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:58,060 has been expressed that it is a manifestation of the angelic side, if you like, of the angelic 398 00:49:58,060 --> 00:50:03,900 powers that are above man. Just as many of these other things, I'm sure that many of these teleporations 399 00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:10,620 and politicized phenomena and so on are certainly demonic. I've come to the conclusion that a very 400 00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:19,900 large proportion of the so-called UFO phenomenon is demonic. And I think that it's a subject that 401 00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:28,460 only very pretty balanced people should delve into too deeply. It's certainly not a thing for teenagers 402 00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:38,300 or for neurotic folk, for folk who are easily frightened. I think too that it's a very dangerous 403 00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:46,300 thing to give too much of your attention to it. I think it's important to have other hobbies and 404 00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:55,020 other work in life to be actively engaged in normal activities. Be interested in this who like, 405 00:50:56,140 --> 00:51:00,380 but try not to get sucked into it, because I've seen cases of people who have been sucked into it, 406 00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:07,500 and in a way it's had a very bad effect on them. There is something in it that's malicious, 407 00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:14,540 there is also something in it that is very fine, that comes from very high above man, 408 00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:20,140 I'm sorry for that. And I think that what we've got to do now is to try to find some 409 00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:26,620 yardstick, I don't know how we're going to do it, of knowing which is which, how a man can 410 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:36,220 draw closer to that which is on the right side, which is beneficial for him, and how he can 411 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:43,660 know the other. And it was said of old that by their fruits you shall know them, 412 00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:50,940 and I suppose this is the only way. But even there one's got to be careful. I recently wrote an 413 00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:57,500 article about a number of cases where people have been paranormal healed as a result apparently 414 00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:04,700 of flying saucers. The thought struck me afterwards that even there, how do you know these people 415 00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:10,860 have been helped? They've had illness cured and wounds healed, but how do you know that this 416 00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:18,460 isn't something which is deceiving, which is out to get, to win men by an apparent show of magic, 417 00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:27,500 of benevolent magic. How do we know that the real ultimate aim is also benevolent? I think that 418 00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:31,820 our position is very difficult, but I suppose it's a very difficult, very tricky situation. 419 00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:40,220 And it's going to be awfully hard for us to come through. We may not come through the next few 420 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:49,100 years. You know that some of you may have read the last book with H.G. Wells wrote. It's not in 421 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:54,780 print now. I don't think the publishers like to bring it out. It's such a depressing book. It's 422 00:52:54,780 --> 00:53:00,220 called Mind at the End of Its Tether, as you know H.G. Wells was a completely materialistic man, 423 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:08,460 no one would have imagined it. He asked himself, talk man. And there's no doubt, I think, that he 424 00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:15,500 had certain limitations in the sense that he had come to the end of his life. This was during the 425 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:24,620 last war. He was sick and he was getting on in the years. And he saw no outlook for man, no hope 426 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:28,860 for man at all, no way out. And of course he didn't know about the abutment, hadn't been 427 00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:35,580 let off yet. And the book he wrote was called Mind at the End of Its Tether. It's only 50 pages long. 428 00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:44,140 And it's the most depressing thing to read. I don't share that pessimism at all, because I think 429 00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:51,180 there are other possibilities open to man that H.G. Wells didn't know about. But obviously if 430 00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:57,420 H.G. Wells thought that the future of our species as seen from 1942 or three when he wrote that book 431 00:53:57,420 --> 00:54:05,580 was grim, well what is it like now? And Wells's thesis was this, that in order to survive with 432 00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:12,060 his technologies, he has it now, man somehow or other has got to overnight as it were. He's got 433 00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:16,780 to change, he's got to stop being what he is, he's got to be something quite different. That we could 434 00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:22,460 we could have survived all right with primitive technology, as our ancestors did for centuries. 435 00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:26,940 But what you can't do is to survive very long with the technology that we've got now. 436 00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:33,500 And he didn't see how that change could be operated in man so suddenly. 437 00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:42,860 I don't see how it could be changed, I'll pray for that either. But it may be that some 438 00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:49,500 extraordinary mutation in man is being prepared now. And what I've just been talking to you about, 439 00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:57,660 about Muhammad Subal, may relate to that. If the powers that are above 440 00:54:58,460 --> 00:55:04,380 intend our species to survive, of course we shall. But I'm quite certain that we're going to see some 441 00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:13,580 very, very extraordinary happenings in the next two decades. I think that's really all I have to 442 00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:17,660 say about this. How is time?